Global Net Zero Climate Change Targets Are "Pie In The Sky"
Global Net Zero Climate Change Targets Are "Pie In The Sky"
BY TYLER DURDEN TUESDAY, APR 06, 2021 - 05:00 AM Authored by Mike Shedlock via MishTalk,
India lambasted the richer
world's carbon cutting plans, calling long term net zero targets, "pie in
the sky."
The 2050 Net Neutral
Challenge
The UK will host the 26th UN
Climate Change Conference of the Parties (COP26) in Glasgow on. 1 – 12 November
2021.
The UN and the Paris Accord
have set a net neutral target for 2050. The US, the UK, Japan, and the EU are
on board.
Without China, forget about
it. China says 2060. India has a more realistic assessment of the situation.
197 Counties Cannot Agree On
Anything
It's a lot easier for developed countries to do
something about carbon emissions than developing countries.
In a pre-summit meeting of 197 countries, China
did not show up, and India blasted the targets as "Pie in the Sky".
Trying to lead 197 countries
forward on the critical global issue of climate change is not a job for the
faint hearted, as the UK is currently finding out. India, the world's fourth
largest emitter, doesn't seem keen to join the club.
"2060 sounds good, but
it is just that, it sounds good," Raj Kumar Singh, India's minister for
power, told a meeting organized by the International Energy Agency (IEA).
"I would call it, and
I'm sorry to say this, but it is just a pie in the sky."
"You have countries
whose per capita emissions are four or five or 12 times the world average. The
question is when are they going to come down?"
"What we hear is that by
2050 or 2060 we will become carbon neutral, 2060 is far away and if the people
emit at the rate they are emitting the world won't survive, so what are you
going to do in the next five years that's what the world wants to know."
"The developed world has
occupied almost 80% of the carbon space already, you have 800 million people
who don't have access to electricity. You can't say that they have to go to net
zero, they have the right to develop, they want to build skyscrapers and have a
higher standard of living, you can't stop it," he told the meeting.
"So my plea is to avoid
the 'happy talk' and recognize that this challenge is global and never has
there been a challenge that requires the unity of countries all across the
planet than now."
Can the Targets Be Met?
Perhaps. Technology can
do wondrous things in the next 30-40 years.
But it will not happen
without China, India, and developing nations in the Mideast, Africa, and South
America in general.
Where is the CO2 Coming From?
CO2 Stats
Please note that the US
reduced its carbon footprint from 6.13 billion tons in 2007 to 5.28 billion
tons in 2019.
Meanwhile, China increased
its footprint from 6.86 billion tons in 2019 to 10.17 billion tons in 2019.
In the same timeframe, global
output rose from 31.29 billion tons to 36.44 billion tons.
In 2007, the US accounted for
19.6% of the total global carbon footprint.
In 2019, the US accounted for
only 14.5% of the total global footprint.
Even if you eliminate 100% of
carbon from the US and EU, you don't solve the problem.
That is the simple fact of
the matter. And for pointing out the facts, I was accused of cherry picking the
data.
Cherry Picking Accusation
Racism
Emissions from China and
India continue to grow. For mentioning this fact, I was also called a
racist.
Excuse me for pointing out
that unrealistic demands on India, China, African nations, etc., are what's
racist, not facts.
John Kerry's Straw Man
Climate Arguments
John Kerry is Biden's climate
czar.
He blamed 4 hurricanes on
climate change as if throwing any amount of money at the alleged problem would
have stopped the hurricanes.
For discussion, please
see Kerry's
Straw Man Argument for Wasting Money on Climate Change
Government to the Rescue?
A Word About Climate Change
Climate change on earth has
been ongoing for billions of years and will go on for billions of years more,
until the earth
is swallowed by the sun, literally.
Roughly 5 billion years from
now, the Sun will exhaust the hydrogen fuel in its core and start burning
helium, forcing its transition into a red giant star. During this shift, its
atmosphere will expand out to somewhere around 1 astronomical unit — the
current average Earth-Sun distance.
The world will not end
in 10 years or even 100 years if we do nothing.
Climate change is not the ‘Existential Threat of Our Time’ as Biden says.
Those who want to be taken
seriously, best not to make absurd exaggerations as Biden, Kerry, AOC, Gretta,
Al Gore, and countless others have done with predictions that have failed one after
another.
What Happens if the Seal
Level Rises?
Please note, Melting
Ice Could Slow Global Temperature Rise.
The research, published
in Nature,
finds that the rate of ice-sheet melt in a high-emissions scenario could see
the oceans cooled by the influx of frigid water. This could knock as much as
0.4C off global temperature rise, the researchers say, potentially delaying
exceeding the 1.5C and 2C Paris
temperature limits by around a decade.
Scientists not involved in
the research tell Carbon Brief that while the results are intriguing, some
caution is warranted given that the study relies on a single climate model. It
also uses a speculative ice-melt scenario and focuses on a region – the
Southern Ocean and Antarctica – which climate models can struggle to simulate
accurately.
While climate models seek
to include various different elements of the Earth’s systems, many are still
limited in their modeling of changes in global ice sheets. While models include
the role of ice melt on global sea level rise, they generally do not include the
impact of the effect of meltwater from ice sheets and ice shelves on
the climate.
The broader climate impacts
of ice-sheet and ice-shelf melt are not included in the current generation of
climate models – CMIP5 –
and are not expected to be accounted for in the upcoming CMIP6 models
either.
Hmm, it seems we have a major
problem with the model's, don't we?
50 Years of Dire Climate
Forecasts and What Actually Happened
Let's review 50
Years of Dire Climate Forecasts and What Actually Happened
2014 John Kerry: "We
have 500 days to Avoid Climate Chaos" discussed Sec of State John Kerry
and French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabious at a joint meeting.
I list 21 predictions and
what actually happened.
Also, please recall my
January 2019 post Ocasio-Cortez
Says World Will End in 12 Years: Here's What to Do About It.
I am tired of this
discussion.
Instead, let's assume all but
the extreme predictions from here on out are true. Moreover, let's assume
instead of the oceans rising 3 inches as scientists predict, let's assume the
oceans rise 6 inches.
Then cold water from melting
ice rates to dampen temperatures, perhaps far more than admitted or
realized.
But let's assume no
mitigating temperature impact of cooling waters.
What Do We Do About It?
How do we meet the 2050
targets with China not on board and India openly mocking even the 2060 target
as "pie in the sky"?
With that question, let's
return to a comment I made above that is the key to the issue: Technology
can do wonderous things in the next 30-40 years.
Technology and Innovation
Look at what we are doing on
mars as an example of amazing technological feats: Search
for Life on Mars Continues With a Tiny 4 Pound Robot Helicopter
Back on earth, I noted GM
to Phase Out Gas-Powered Vehicles by 2035, Carbon Neutral by 2040
That's one heck of a
commitment given Tesla has about a 79% share of the 2% of total sales that are
electric.
Believe what you want about
climate change but fearmongering won't change anything.
Nor will badgering 197 nations
to agree to a plan that China will not honor and India labels "pie in the
sky".
If there is a solution,
technology, innovation, and the free market will find it.
Per Capita Addendum
A reader asked why I don't
mention per capita carbon.
I have commented before. It
proves my point so I should do it more often.
The population of China is
1.40 billion, India is 1.37 billion, and the US is 0.33 billion. It is
precisely this reason India called the effort "pie in the sky".
Q: What happens when the rest
of the world wants a US standard of living?
A: The global carbon
footprint will not decline, global standards of living will not rise, the US
standard of living will fall dramatically, there will be a huge technology
breakthrough, or some combination of the above.
Alternatively, expect war.
Global Net Zero Climate Change Targets Are
"Pie In The Sky"
BY TYLER DURDEN TUESDAY, APR 06, 2021 - 05:00
AM Authored
by Mike Shedlock via MishTalk,
India lambasted the richer
world's carbon cutting plans, calling long term net zero targets, "pie in
the sky."
The 2050 Net Neutral
Challenge
The UK will host the 26th UN
Climate Change Conference of the Parties (COP26) in Glasgow on. 1 – 12 November
2021.
The UN and the Paris Accord
have set a net neutral target for 2050. The US, the UK, Japan, and the EU are
on board.
Without China, forget about
it. China says 2060. India has a more realistic assessment of the situation.
197 Counties Cannot Agree On
Anything
It's a lot easier for developed countries to do
something about carbon emissions than developing countries.
In a pre-summit meeting of 197 countries, China
did not show up, and India blasted the targets as "Pie in the Sky".
Trying to lead 197 countries
forward on the critical global issue of climate change is not a job for the
faint hearted, as the UK is currently finding out. India, the world's fourth
largest emitter, doesn't seem keen to join the club.
"2060 sounds good, but
it is just that, it sounds good," Raj Kumar Singh, India's minister for
power, told a meeting organized by the International Energy Agency (IEA).
"I would call it, and
I'm sorry to say this, but it is just a pie in the sky."
"You have countries
whose per capita emissions are four or five or 12 times the world average. The
question is when are they going to come down?"
"What we hear is that by
2050 or 2060 we will become carbon neutral, 2060 is far away and if the people
emit at the rate they are emitting the world won't survive, so what are you
going to do in the next five years that's what the world wants to know."
"The developed world has
occupied almost 80% of the carbon space already, you have 800 million people
who don't have access to electricity. You can't say that they have to go to net
zero, they have the right to develop, they want to build skyscrapers and have a
higher standard of living, you can't stop it," he told the meeting.
"So my plea is to avoid
the 'happy talk' and recognize that this challenge is global and never has
there been a challenge that requires the unity of countries all across the
planet than now."
Can the Targets Be Met?
Perhaps. Technology can
do wondrous things in the next 30-40 years.
But it will not happen
without China, India, and developing nations in the Mideast, Africa, and South
America in general.
Where is the CO2 Coming From?
CO2 Stats
Please note that the US
reduced its carbon footprint from 6.13 billion tons in 2007 to 5.28 billion
tons in 2019.
Meanwhile, China increased
its footprint from 6.86 billion tons in 2019 to 10.17 billion tons in 2019.
In the same timeframe, global
output rose from 31.29 billion tons to 36.44 billion tons.
In 2007, the US accounted for
19.6% of the total global carbon footprint.
In 2019, the US accounted for
only 14.5% of the total global footprint.
Even if you eliminate 100% of
carbon from the US and EU, you don't solve the problem.
That is the simple fact of
the matter. And for pointing out the facts, I was accused of cherry picking the
data.
Cherry Picking Accusation
Racism
Emissions from China and
India continue to grow. For mentioning this fact, I was also called a
racist.
Excuse me for pointing out
that unrealistic demands on India, China, African nations, etc., are what's
racist, not facts.
John Kerry's Straw Man
Climate Arguments
John Kerry is Biden's climate
czar.
He blamed 4 hurricanes on
climate change as if throwing any amount of money at the alleged problem would
have stopped the hurricanes.
For discussion, please
see Kerry's
Straw Man Argument for Wasting Money on Climate Change
Government to the Rescue?
A Word About Climate Change
Climate change on earth has
been ongoing for billions of years and will go on for billions of years more,
until the earth
is swallowed by the sun, literally.
Roughly 5 billion years from
now, the Sun will exhaust the hydrogen fuel in its core and start burning
helium, forcing its transition into a red giant star. During this shift, its
atmosphere will expand out to somewhere around 1 astronomical unit — the
current average Earth-Sun distance.
The world will not end
in 10 years or even 100 years if we do nothing.
Climate change is not the
‘Existential Threat of Our Time’ as Biden says.
Those who want to be taken
seriously, best not to make absurd exaggerations as Biden, Kerry, AOC, Gretta,
Al Gore, and countless others have done with predictions that have failed one after
another.
What Happens if the Seal
Level Rises?
Please note, Melting
Ice Could Slow Global Temperature Rise.
The research, published
in Nature,
finds that the rate of ice-sheet melt in a high-emissions scenario could see
the oceans cooled by the influx of frigid water. This could knock as much as
0.4C off global temperature rise, the researchers say, potentially delaying
exceeding the 1.5C and 2C Paris
temperature limits by around a decade.
Scientists not involved in
the research tell Carbon Brief that while the results are intriguing, some
caution is warranted given that the study relies on a single climate model. It
also uses a speculative ice-melt scenario and focuses on a region – the
Southern Ocean and Antarctica – which climate models can struggle to simulate
accurately.
While climate models seek
to include various different elements of the Earth’s systems, many are still
limited in their modeling of changes in global ice sheets. While models include
the role of ice melt on global sea level rise, they generally do not include the
impact of the effect of meltwater from ice sheets and ice shelves on
the climate.
The broader climate impacts
of ice-sheet and ice-shelf melt are not included in the current generation of
climate models – CMIP5 –
and are not expected to be accounted for in the upcoming CMIP6 models
either.
Hmm, it seems we have a major
problem with the model's, don't we?
50 Years of Dire Climate
Forecasts and What Actually Happened
Let's review 50
Years of Dire Climate Forecasts and What Actually Happened
2014 John Kerry: "We
have 500 days to Avoid Climate Chaos" discussed Sec of State John Kerry
and French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabious at a joint meeting.
I list 21 predictions and
what actually happened.
Also, please recall my
January 2019 post Ocasio-Cortez
Says World Will End in 12 Years: Here's What to Do About It.
I am tired of this
discussion.
Instead, let's assume all but
the extreme predictions from here on out are true. Moreover, let's assume
instead of the oceans rising 3 inches as scientists predict, let's assume the
oceans rise 6 inches.
Then cold water from melting
ice rates to dampen temperatures, perhaps far more than admitted or
realized.
But let's assume no
mitigating temperature impact of cooling waters.
What Do We Do About It?
How do we meet the 2050
targets with China not on board and India openly mocking even the 2060 target
as "pie in the sky"?
With that question, let's
return to a comment I made above that is the key to the issue: Technology
can do wonderous things in the next 30-40 years.
Technology and Innovation
Look at what we are doing on
mars as an example of amazing technological feats: Search
for Life on Mars Continues With a Tiny 4 Pound Robot Helicopter
Back on earth, I noted GM
to Phase Out Gas-Powered Vehicles by 2035, Carbon Neutral by 2040
That's one heck of a
commitment given Tesla has about a 79% share of the 2% of total sales that are
electric.
Believe what you want about
climate change but fearmongering won't change anything.
Nor will badgering 197 nations
to agree to a plan that China will not honor and India labels "pie in the
sky".
If there is a solution,
technology, innovation, and the free market will find it.
Per Capita Addendum
A reader asked why I don't
mention per capita carbon.
I have commented before. It
proves my point so I should do it more often.
The population of China is
1.40 billion, India is 1.37 billion, and the US is 0.33 billion. It is
precisely this reason India called the effort "pie in the sky".
Q: What happens when the rest
of the world wants a US standard of living?
A: The global carbon
footprint will not decline, global standards of living will not rise, the US
standard of living will fall dramatically, there will be a huge technology
breakthrough, or some combination of the above.
Alternatively, expect war.
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